BAN FLIPPING APPEAL

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ME AND XMOTTOEX WERE IN SURVIVAL AND STUCK IN CREATIVE WHILST NOBODY HELPED US WE BUILD A HOUSE WITH SOME THINGS WE WERE PLANNING ON GETTING RID OF IT WHEN SOME MOD OR ADMIN HELPED US BUT NO NOBODY HELPED US OR DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO WE GOT BANNED SO THIS IS POOR MODERATING NOT HELPING PEOPLE THEN BANNING THEM.

Please use the correct format.

i didnt check i was in caps :/

Still, there are appeal guidelines :P

Type of ban / demotion <permanent or temporary (should include duration)> permanent

Ban/Demotion reason

Reason you were told or message shown when you’re disconnected from the server “banned for hacking”

What I have done wrong

we were playing WITHOUT hacks and there was a bug that we were in creative whilst playing survival we did build a house with lots of OP stuff but we were gonna get rid of it if someone would help us but nobody did. we were flying in CREATIVE because nobody would help us so we were just waiting, and nobody did for about 1 day then when i go back were banned

Why I should be unbanned / re-promoted

we should not of been banned because we werent hacking just stuck in creative and i would never hack and we asked for help and never recieved it, i have no clue how to hack so pls unban us :D

Ban Reason For Hacking and being in creative in the survival world.

What I Have Done Wrong I do not belive i have done anything sevierly wrong, seeming i only made an OP house because i was bored and seeming i was stuck in creative i was making a map by going around so i could find a place to move to when the bug was fixed

Why I should Be Unbanned Because it wasnt my fault that i was in creative and i wasnt using this time to grief, cause damage to spawn or do anything to deliberately damage the server, i realy enjoy this server and i dont even know how to hack, i was just about to donate- im very sorry so please unban me and max, i understand if we are banned for a while but a perminant ban is a bit much seeming it wasnt our fault we were in creative and we didnt cause any damage to the server so why would be be banned?

If you are telling the truth, which is my first impression, then this ban, whoever performed it, was not in place. If you’re lieing about hacking then… well… We need proof anyways. Can you get me proof? (I can’t check out the logs right now I’m at school)

How do we prove were not hackking?

Btw i love ur utube channel Dico

what do we need screenies of?

just us doing somn

Uh.. I dont have hacks, i dont even know how to use hacks

Actually, last time I entered survival I was in creative for some reason. Maybe this needs to be looked into? Trusted survival is fine though :)

so does this mean were unbanned? :D cos we love to play this server

Hi, we thought you were hacking, as you had a large amount of OP items in your base and your inventory.

If you didnt hack, which seems to be the case, you should have filed a /report and got a member of staff to fix it. You did not do this; and instead you decided to abuse this bug, then tell us about it. I personally think that if you didn’t hack, your ban reasons should be changed to “Abusing a bug and not telling staff about it” as that would seem more appropriate. so I think that no, you shouldnt be unbanned, as you still broke a serious rule.

Well actually first before that I asked for help and nobody listened so we carried on XD so not being rude but that’s wrong

We haven’t damaged the server we just asked for the help and got none so we wouldn’t do it again thats why we SHOULD be unbanned

You’re wrong there, you still should of tried everything, msging us, and reports. Your arguments arent getting you any where, so if you really wanted to be unbanned you would be trying more to get unbanned, which shows me that you don’t entirely want to get unbanned.

Me and XmottoeX love this server we have had so much fun on there and the community is great we searched for a redstone server for ages, I rally do want to be unbanned we just acted a bit idiotic

If you didnt hack, which seems to be the case, you should have filed a /report and got a member of staff to fix it. You did not do this; and instead you decided to abuse this bug, then tell us about it. I personally think that if you didn’t hack, your ban reasons should be changed to “Abusing a bug and not telling staff about it” as that would seem more appropriate. so I think that no, you shouldnt be unbanned, as you still broke a serious rule.

He didn’t break the rule intentionally. He tried to contact us and we failed to respond. I think the bans should be lifted, he doesn’t want to harm the server, he just wanted to play in survival.

I think I’m going to have to disagree to his appeal. Although, yes, there was a fault on our part where players spawned in survival immediately in creative. But seeing as though they have failed to file a /report and even continually exploited this bug even AFTER they tried to contact staff, they should at the very least have a 1 week tempban.

Skrileton, I do appreciate having a temp ban because we deserver it, I agree ;)

I agree that we have slightly abused this bug but i did report it but i was not informed about the /report command so i was waiting for a mod who would listen to me to tell, and i will say again that we never did any harm to the server and we couldnt leave creative, as i said- we made a house filled with OP items because we wanted to have a little fun until the bug was fixed, this isnt fair on us seeming it is the job of the server to use working plugins - furthermore i belive you should use the default gamemode on the multiworld plugin (for bukkit) as it may stop others getting in creative.

I also think that people who are newer to this server and who dont have as nice intentions could use this bug to grief and basicaly set up a black market and wrecking survival, i belive that me and maxbs25 were very safe with this situation because we made a small house in the middle of nowhere, please forgive us. we honestly damage any part of the server, we didnt donate or give anybody any of these items and its not like out base was causing lag.

My first thoughts where that creative was allowed in survival seeming there were large buildings and Nowhere in the rules does it say you cant be in creative in survival, i had never played survival before so i didnt think it was a bug until i saw people requesting for donations, you should have known about this bug earlier instead of leaving it for people to find out about it. My trusty Bro Fallingdominos says that you should have atleast 2 moderators/ operators or admins on each part of the server and atleast 1 of them are at there keyboard, this could stop alot of glitch abuse and bug abuse and usage of hacks.

Sorry this has been a very long message but i felt like i had to express it and explain it all because i feel like the server shouldnt of had this bug in the first place, none of this message is supposed to be mean but i am expressing strong opinions

It takes common sense to realise that creative isn’t allowed in survival. Also take note that the server was quite busy yesterday, and our chats were very spammed from people msging others. If you discover a bug and a staff member doesn’t respond, you should look over the forums and find out what to do. That’s two cases where you’ve broken rule 1, and you broke rule 15, which also takes common sense.

Since this problem involves the survival world, I think an unban and a temporary ban from the survival world would be more appropriate, but that’s just me :)

yeh survival ban, thats resonable- temp ban from survival and unban from whole server- case closed

i will be more careful next time because i like this server and looks like i still will donate

On the evidence so far it seems that this probably was a bug and not hacking. Saying that nobody told you about /report isn’t a great excuse as its actually written in the rules section on this website for what to do when you find a bug. Also you claim that you asked for help and were only having a little fun until the bug was fixed by filling a house with OP items, then later you claim that you thought creative was allowed in survival as it doesn’t say anything in the rules. This is a total contradiction and so makes me doubt how true you were being when you say all the op items were just for a little fun. How is filling a chest with diamonds blocks more fun than filling a chest with any other type of block? Filling a chest with diamond blocks in the middle of nowhere seems to me to be exactly what someone would do to ABUSE this bug. While staff are here to help and do need to fix bugs, it is a players responsibility to report bugs when they find them to allow staff to fix them. Frankly I don’t care how many staff you or your “trusty bro” think need to be present at any time. All the staff give their time for free to help keep the server running smoothly, which is why you get to play here for FREE! It isn’t much to ask that you follow a few simple rules to help make things better for everyone.

@maxbs25 It seems you at least are taking some responsibility in this and admit you acted foolishly, I feel lifting your permanent ban and replacing with a tempban of some length would be reasonable, maybe survival only.

@XmottoeX After your long post it seems to me you take no responsibility for what you did wrong and instead want to blame staff for not magically knowing about all bugs in advance. If you choose to distort the truth rather than admitting your mistakes, why exactly should we believe anything you say or trust you to not abuse a bug again in the future if you find one?

Sorry this has been a very long message but I felt I had to express it and explain it all because I feel the players should read and follow the rules, none of this message is supposed to be mean but I am expressing strong opinions.

Read my text again, i know i created OP items and stuff like that but as i said but i wasnt planning to use these items in a bad way, i was only using them to have fun and i tried to report it, you could be a good server admin and allow pretty much innocent players who are trying to suggest how to stop people getting banned for the same reason to play or you can be an unfair server admin and ban somebody for something that was not hacks, not grief and only making some items for while they were waiting for the bugs to be fixed. I will remind you that people have had perminant bans for destroying homes, using TNT hacks and Admin Pp’S {Personal Plugins} I have not done any of that and only broken 1 rule and while breaking it, not doing any harm to the server.

I take full responsibility for doing something irresistable temporarily but seriously, cant we just get rid of the permaban and ban me temporarily from the survival server and forget this, i understand that this ruins my chances of being a mod but its only fair.

I understand that the mods are right that i have done wrong but cant you forgive me for doing no proper harm to the server?

To Heir Is Human To Forgive Is Divine

Ive read this thread now and i think:

As a server admin myself, I know that these sort of glitches/bugs happen and similar thing has happened on my server many times. However, @XmottoeX and @maxbs25 don’t seem to have caused much harm to the server i admit what they did was wrong but its not as bad as griefing and hacking like many other people do.
I know many good ways to solve this problem, so if you had those plugins already installed i doubt this would ever happen
A little suggestion is have mod’s on every world of the server to test out plugins regularly so you can get bugs fixed in the future.
Some things in the plots like mobs arent allowed so i expect if this bug was left to continue that many people would use the survival world instead, i recomend having bigger/more plots for people to build.

Thank you for reading my suggestions and thoughts of this debate and I hope you understand where I am coming from. Please do not take any offence from this because you are good at being an admin. These are all only suggestions but i really thing that the stuff these guys have done is not really the crime of the century and dosent really deserve a perma ban, especially not without a warning

OK so its “to err is human”….you erred again.

I read your text perfectly fine the first time thank-you. Clearly you still don’t totally see what you did was wrong and instead want to make it someone else’s fault. So now it is my fault for being unfair? Thank-you but I don’t need you to remind of some of the reasons people have been permabanned. We have guidelines for how to handle rule breaks and in general we tend to follow these and not just do what the person who broke the rules thinks is fair.

PJ stated that last time she went to survival she had creative mode, while she probably should have reported this, I am assuming she didn’t abuse this and fill chests with diamond blocks, this is an innocent player. You however also didn’t report this properly, but chose to fill chests with OP items, which as you said yourself could be used to destroy the survival economy and gain huge advantage over other players, this is not the actions of an INNOCENT player.

So answer me this simple question, whos fault is it that you abused a bug?

The reason i say its not entirely my fault is because i didnt make the bug, i know i abused it but it was so irresistable, im sorry dude but i just forgot, i didnt mean any harm to the server i guess i cant win seeming you probably dont want to unban me so i did do it, i am responsible and i give up

At last, well now you’ve finally stated that, Id be happy to also recommend a reduction in your punishment too. I personally think a pardon for both by the end of today and maybe a tempban from survival would be fitting. Will discuss what seems right with other staff and hopefully give you a final decision as soon as possible.

Lets just sum it up here, it was a bug, you chose to exploit it rather than report it either on the website or /report and thus have been banned for it.

Anything that i am missing out here? if not then the ban was completely justified however i agree to perhaps reducing it to a temporary ban.

i have learnt something through this

i will allways be true to the admins

never make a argument/ban appeal longer than nescesairy

and i will Never abuse bugs again.

I do not have hacks, i hate hackers just btw

Seeming were closing this case i just wanna say This Is A Great Server and i love you all :)

My 2 cents on this…

You didnt report the bug nor you made a thread in the ‘bugs’ section. You also abused the bug.

nuff said, Im saying lift the permban and replace it with a 7 day ban from survival.

7 days? owww i wont be able to play for 3 weeks :(

btw i just wanted to say i tried to report the bug and i didnt know about the bugs thread but i still take full responsibility

Accualy guys, I changed you back to survival so you shouldn’t of been in creative… So you being back in creative seems a bit suspicous to me. I think this might just be fair punishment

OK so I’ve weighed up the staffs opinion and we have reach a consensus. Your permanent bans have been reduced to a temp ban of 1 day from the time of this message. You will also be banned from survival for 1 week from the time of this message.

Please after a week is up inform a staff member and ask them to read this so they can reinstate your perms for survival.

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