A Message to Viper...

Weren’t you banned for arguing and disrespecting staff, not the joke?

Dear Skrileton,

My temporary ban was completely justified. In fact, you’re lucky you didn’t get a permanent ban. I did not punish you for making a joke, I simply gave you an informal warning, meaning it was not going to count towards a punishment and was not considered an offense. You then began arguing and disrespecting players and staff. Arguing, in my opinion, is fine, but not when the same arguments have been presented numerous times and have already been countered validly. I, nor any of the staff, are corrupt, nor oblivious. We are here to fulfill a purpose, and that is exactly what I did in this scenario. If I were truly that cruel, I would have permanently banned you on the first offense, but I didn’t. Note that you were once one of the “oligarchs,” and you were demoted to member for two serious offenses. To be frank, at this point, a permanent ban would have been completely justified given how many serious offenses you have had in such a short amount of time. If you decide to continue with your current behavior, I can assure you will end up with a permanent ban. If I were to ask any player or staff on the server who witnessed it, they would agree that my actions are justified. If you hadn’t argued with me in the first place against what was nothing which would affect you permanently. It was simply a warning to PREVENT you from getting punished by your actions, but you decided to argue with it instead.

Sincerely, Viper

Dear Viper,

I find this entire predicament laughable. First off, one of those “serious offenses” was an act towards a (technically) non-staff member. I was demoted for an unjustified reason. And no, it wasn’t just an informal warning. I stated after you told me to “watch what I say”, I told you, and everyone else on the server that it was a joke. But no, you refused to accept that. Instead, you brought up my previous experiences on the server to strengthen your argument. And yes, to put it bluntly and simply, I was banned for telling a joke. I was reprimanded for telling a joke, which seems stupid in and of itself in such a ridiculous game. I came on there to do Redstone, no to for the server to turn on me. And if the staff team wasn’t so oblivious to their previous actions, then maybe you would understand why I said it was corrupt.

Sincerely, Skrileton

How many people witnessed this poor show again?

Dear Skrileton,

I personally wasn’t there for what has occured but all I can tell is that you are being plain spiteful. If this were a situation where you were staff and a player was doing this to you, you would have done the exact same thing. Before you go mad, put yourself in vipers shoes.

P.S, You were demoted from trusted because what you did made us lack trust in you.

Sincerely, Evan

I witnessed it.

Mmmk gumsie anybody else

DrakePHOSE, _Eli (was online at the time, not sure if afk or not)

ryan1573, shingowanatabe

My bad, SJWest10 not shingo

Neekow, Likyaz

@Skrileton Your previous actions and attitude toward the people on the server (staff especially) has been very negative in general, and I believe you’ve spent an awful lot more time taking unnecessary and spiteful shots at us than you have been on to “do Redstone”. Also, quite frankly, your previous actions DO directly effect the way you will be treated in the future, and not expecting such is completely unreasonable. Being respectful to staff IS a rule, as is the 19th item in the rules: Keep in mind that if you get kicked from the server often, you might get demoted, (temporarily) banned or temporarily muted. This decision is on the staff’s behalf. Therefore yes, you will be on a much tighter rope after making several previous offenses, whether you like it or not. If you do not like our rules, do not play on the server.

@ViperLordX The thing is I was demoted for exposing the alt account of a non-staff member. I don’t see the logic or reasoning behind that at all.

While @skriletons tone might not be the most appropriate for the forums, I can’t say he is completely wrong here. There is no logic behind demoting him for exposing a “non-staff” members alt. Let alone is there a rule against it.

There is a pretty well known rule not to give out information that only staff know, he was trusted with the information and also explicitly warned about the consequences. Failure to keep said information private results in the breach of trust.

Firstly \o/

Secondly from the information that Skrileton has given me and from what i can read from this thread my points are as follows.

• @PanFritz you have said that Skrileton was trusted with information that you had an alt account and was warned of the consequences. Now the consequences of this happening are that Skrileton has been demoted from not just trusted but also from builder down to member. That consequence already is way too over the top and needs to be reconsidered before hand. Before this incident how long did you, @PanFritz think you would get away with this until someone eventually and inevitably found out?

• @PanFritz you then said that “Failure to keep said information private results in the breach of trust”. This i agree with and makes sense but as i have said the punishment is ridiculous and needs to be rethought.

The punishment was originaly warned as a perma ban, i believe reducing it to member rank demotion is fair, on top of that him showing immense levels of immaturity when it comes to dealing with consequences to his own actions by taking it out on other people, sparking up non existing arguments and complaints to doing things out of nothing but spite the sentence to member will not be reduced. However now as before he can always earn builder rank back.

@PanFritz you have said “However now as before he can always earn builder rank back”. If he got up to builder before and even staff then surely he has already earned builder rank. The guidelines for the builder rank are a shown (copied from the website under the ranks tab):

As the name implies, builders are people who have built well enough for this rank, builders have partial access to WorldEdit, which is a very powerful tool. Builders can also use /lol to say something funny from a set list of phrases. Additionally, builders have access to a second plot. obtaining this rank: Be active a lot and build great stuff on your plot.

So with this information he should never have lost builder rank since he has already met the guidelines and earned builder rank.

earn builder rank back. Implies he needs to earn it again. He earned it, then he lost it, just like someone might loose it for world edit abuse.

I agree with @eniallator ! sure Skrileton has screwed up pretty hard lately but honestly, demoting him to MEMBER(?!?!) is just straight over the top. He already earned BUILDER how can he just lose it? I guess losing trusted makes sense, but the demoting has to stop there.

I’m also going to put my opinion out there on this, but if you have an alt you shouldn’t expect other people to keep it a secret for you. If you don’t want people knowing about it then it’s your job to keep it that way. While this may not align with some other people’s views (and I know it obviously won’t) this is how I feel on that.

@PanFritz iirc there was a nowe rank for people who abuse world edit. Since Skrileton hasn’t abused world edit this doesn’t stand for him and is just an example and nothing else. There is nothing saying on the rank guidelines for builder that what Skrileton has already done should affect him having builder rank and as i have said it looks like Skrileton has already met the requirements for the builder rank.

“Does huge world edit grief, gets demoted to member” WHAT NO YOU CAN’T TAKE AWAY I EARNED IT [yt:YAjAyel3-9M]

The nowe rank is used for minor infractions, people can still get demoted.

“Does huge world edit grief, gets demoted to member”

“Does huge world edit grief”

“huge world edit grief”

“huge grief”

I’m fairly sure in that case people would just get banned…

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users

That is basically the definition of a troll…

According to the rules the definition of greifing is this. While trolling is listed under there, trolling is generally considered it’s own issue while griefing is generally considered as the destruction of someones property or builds.

Fine if you really wanna nitpick (you guys really like doing that don’t you) Lets say that someone lagged the server out multiple times and has had nowe multiple times and eventualy gets demoted.

I’m not the one pushing the idea that builder rank can’t be lost, and I would agree that if it was a reoccuring issue they should be demoted. However correct me if I’m wrong but has skril actually done that?

Ok so my initial statement still stands.

The punishment was originaly warned as a perma ban, i believe reducing it to member rank demotion is fair, on top of that him showing immense levels of immaturity when it comes to dealing with consequences to his own actions by taking it out on other people, sparking up non existing arguments and complaints to doing things out of nothing but spite the sentence to member will not be reduced. However now as before he can always earn builder rank back.