A Message to Viper...
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Dear Viper,
Thank you for temporarily banning me on Redstoner for telling a “your mom” joke. Just another reason why this server is degrading. I would also like to note that I did not intend to be the instigator during our argument, but the fact that anyone else would’ve told the same joke, you singled me out because I’m on “thin ice”. Yes, I have made some poor decisions, yes, I make mistakes, but what really agitated me was that I was banned upon a biased decision. Thanks for that as well; I’ll add that to my list of why this place “is not a server, but is a circus that’s being run by an oligarchy headed by an oppressive and oblivious ruler and his supporters who happen to be his best friends.” Good day.
Sincerely, Skrileton
(P.S. Delete this whenever you want, it’s just a message :P)
Dear Skrileton,
My temporary ban was completely justified. In fact, you’re lucky you didn’t get a permanent ban. I did not punish you for making a joke, I simply gave you an informal warning, meaning it was not going to count towards a punishment and was not considered an offense. You then began arguing and disrespecting players and staff. Arguing, in my opinion, is fine, but not when the same arguments have been presented numerous times and have already been countered validly. I, nor any of the staff, are corrupt, nor oblivious. We are here to fulfill a purpose, and that is exactly what I did in this scenario. If I were truly that cruel, I would have permanently banned you on the first offense, but I didn’t. Note that you were once one of the “oligarchs,” and you were demoted to member for two serious offenses. To be frank, at this point, a permanent ban would have been completely justified given how many serious offenses you have had in such a short amount of time. If you decide to continue with your current behavior, I can assure you will end up with a permanent ban. If I were to ask any player or staff on the server who witnessed it, they would agree that my actions are justified. If you hadn’t argued with me in the first place against what was nothing which would affect you permanently. It was simply a warning to PREVENT you from getting punished by your actions, but you decided to argue with it instead.
Sincerely, Viper
Dear Viper,
I find this entire predicament laughable. First off, one of those “serious offenses” was an act towards a (technically) non-staff member. I was demoted for an unjustified reason. And no, it wasn’t just an informal warning. I stated after you told me to “watch what I say”, I told you, and everyone else on the server that it was a joke. But no, you refused to accept that. Instead, you brought up my previous experiences on the server to strengthen your argument. And yes, to put it bluntly and simply, I was banned for telling a joke. I was reprimanded for telling a joke, which seems stupid in and of itself in such a ridiculous game. I came on there to do Redstone, no to for the server to turn on me. And if the staff team wasn’t so oblivious to their previous actions, then maybe you would understand why I said it was corrupt.
Sincerely, Skrileton
Dear Skrileton,
I personally wasn’t there for what has occured but all I can tell is that you are being plain spiteful. If this were a situation where you were staff and a player was doing this to you, you would have done the exact same thing. Before you go mad, put yourself in vipers shoes.
P.S, You were demoted from trusted because what you did made us lack trust in you.
Sincerely, Evan
Firstly \o/
Secondly from the information that Skrileton has given me and from what i can read from this thread my points are as follows.
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@PanFritz you have said that Skrileton was trusted with information that you had an alt account and was warned of the consequences. Now the consequences of this happening are that Skrileton has been demoted from not just trusted but also from builder down to member. That consequence already is way too over the top and needs to be reconsidered before hand. Before this incident how long did you, @PanFritz think you would get away with this until someone eventually and inevitably found out?
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@PanFritz you then said that “Failure to keep said information private results in the breach of trust”. This i agree with and makes sense but as i have said the punishment is ridiculous and needs to be rethought.
@PanFritz you have said “However now as before he can always earn builder rank back”. If he got up to builder before and even staff then surely he has already earned builder rank. The guidelines for the builder rank are a shown (copied from the website under the ranks tab):
As the name implies, builders are people who have built well enough for this rank, builders have partial access to WorldEdit, which is a very powerful tool. Builders can also use /lol to say something funny from a set list of phrases. Additionally, builders have access to a second plot. obtaining this rank: Be active a lot and build great stuff on your plot.
So with this information he should never have lost builder rank since he has already met the guidelines and earned builder rank.
earn builder rank back. Implies he needs to earn it again. He earned it, then he lost it, just like someone might loose it for world edit abuse.
“Does huge world edit grief, gets demoted to member”
“Does huge world edit grief”
“huge world edit grief”
“huge grief”
I’m fairly sure in that case people would just get banned…
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users
That is basically the definition of a troll…
According to the rules the definition of greifing is this. While trolling is listed under there, trolling is generally considered it’s own issue while griefing is generally considered as the destruction of someones property or builds.
Ok so my initial statement still stands.
The punishment was originaly warned as a perma ban, i believe reducing it to member rank demotion is fair, on top of that him showing immense levels of immaturity when it comes to dealing with consequences to his own actions by taking it out on other people, sparking up non existing arguments and complaints to doing things out of nothing but spite the sentence to member will not be reduced. However now as before he can always earn builder rank back.
@PanFritz has he abused WE? no. Therefore, he shouldn’t get it taken away. “It’s a miracle he hasn’t been permabanned” is no excuse to take WE (aka builder) from him. He has shown to be trustworthy with WE, therefore his punishment should not reign in that area, but instead perhaps something like a tempban.
I suggest temp banning for maybe 5-6 days, and promoting him back to builder.
I think you’ve gone slightly off topic here, defining trolls and gerifers…
Skrileton you got demoted for “Revealing the alt of a non staff member”. a non staff member… how is that sensitive information someone who isn’t staff and doesn’t, couldn’t have staff information sensitive enough to merit three demotions (trusted-builder-member, also lost retired), doesn’t make sense if you think about it.
However Srkill seems to be taking this demotion quite immaturely, and has now earned it fully.
your looping yourself @PanFritz ! the penalty should be TEMP BAN not demotion. he’s demoted so much already and like we already said, demoting him from builder just isn’t right because of all the father freaking reasons I’ve already given.
fofo new one lel. instead of mofo
oh gosh I quit that’s what ew i cri
Okay, This thread is a complete mess but,
Trusted is for those who are ‘Trustworthy’ I agree that Skril may no longer be ‘Trustworthy’ but the Builder rank is for those who have built a lot on their plot. Skril may have lost his Trust but he hasn’t gone and deleted his builds making the demotion invalid and unjustified.
@PanFritz i already explained how he should not be demoted to member. therefore that punishment is not an option, left is TB. giving him 2-3 weeks to think about everything would be more effective than demoting him more and just making him more angry and provoking him further.
now you say why demotion is better.
if everyone thinks he’s a threat, then they can /plotme remove Skrileton. simple. done. @PanFritz rekt
anyways, so done rn. screw this im out. :c
@PanFritz i am very aware of that, but like I said, we all could do that. don’t act upon demotion until he actually HAS DONE SOMETHING or else demoting him isn’t fair.
Would you hang someone that OTHER PEOPLE rumored he might commit treason? heck no that’d be so wrong. I’d hang him once he actually commits treason and is therefore liable to punishment.
but whatever I’ve said enough I’ll just let you and all your million staffers deal out the crap punishment you feel fit.
:D
Why is there so much frustration about this?
I honestly think this escalated too far, but coorect me if Im wrong.
Skrileton, it is your irrationality and impaired judgment caused by your frustration and anger and stress of your punishments that has been leading you to not understand the true reason of your punishments. You have wronged, and you have been justly punished. The WorldEdit abuse was a serious offense (greifing, which leads to permanent ban), and it was a second offense close to your initial offense of exposing private information. You should be very fortunate to not be permanently banned, and instead of arguing, you should realize that the staff are very generously giving you another chance to cover your mistakes. Take this opportunity well, my good friend, and learn from your mistakes; do realize that punishments are something that teaches you good things.
Ultimately, I say that you should take this rare opportunity and prove yourself that you are a good and just man. You are capable of proving that, just as you proved that when you were staff; however, the last thing that will decide your acts is your own choice. I hope you make the good choice, my friend.
The WorldEdit abuse was a serious offense (greifing, which leads to permanent ban)
@AbstractM if you are implying Skril actually griefed I would like to see your evidence. Whether his tone is appropriate or not is none of my concern, but if you are going to say he actually griefed with worldedit be prepared to offer proof.
continue to pull lies out of your ass
I’m trying to strengthen my argument with evidence I have gathered. I apologize sincerely if I have any false evidence (no sarcasm present).
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