Vote anti 1.9 campaign!

I vote no to 1.9.x unless the x is in place to remove the new PvP stuff.

Yesterday Searge posted on Twitter that 1.9 will be released on the 29th. That might have changed, but I just wanted to let you know.

Also, could we play on a 1.8 server in 1.9? I remember not being able to play on the Nexus in 1.8 because it was a 1.7.10 server.

@ShyGuy1265 I don’t really know, if that’s the case I’ll update the post, it’s not the entire topic of this post so it’s not all too important, in my opinion they can wait a couple more centuries with their combat update.

I don’t think 1.9 is a bad update at all. I’m not too big of a fan of the combat changes myself, but I’m not a huge pvp player anyway, so it doesn’t really matter to me. And it doesn’t matter too much for the server either I think, because most people do creative anyway. But other than that, 1.9 does bring some interesting mechanics to the game, which might make it worth to update. A big reason to update (I believe) is that redstone builds should be up-to-date. In my opinion, if you’re gonna design a farm, piston door, or any redstone creation, it should be relevant, and thus work in the current release version of the game. No one is going to be intersted in a redstone build designed for 1.7, as there are chances this build will not work in 1.8, and the majority of Minecraft players is playing 1.8. The same goes for 1.9. The majority of Minecraft players will update to 1.9, which means redstone builds are most relevant if they are created in 1.9. The one big problem I have with 1.9 is that there are a few nasty redstone bugs, but 1.8 still has a number of annoying bugs as well, so I don’t see that as a reason not to update. Everyone is playing and enjoying 1.8 even though there are bugs concerning redstone that broke many redstone builds (many could be fixed, but it’s still anoying), so I don’t think 1.9 will be different. Of course, if there are other reasons not to update, like performance issuis etc., it might be a good idea to wait untill those are fixed, but I think we should upgrade to 1.9 after it’s released (and Spigot has updated as well, of course).

@SpaceCuberMC Please note that almost every single update redstone mechanics are changed, and thus usually those mechanics will break what we’ve already made in 1.8.

I’m against updating. That’s it really.

Why, why do you think this is a bad update? I can’t understand this. 1.9 Will be adding things to the game which will be immensely beneficial to redstoning and general playing of Minecraft.

Pvp will not, i repeat will not be changed, the old spam click to win mechanics are not gone you can still use those they aren’t going away. Every update (ever?) has come with new redstone bugs, that never stopped anyone from updating before, even 1.5 the dreaded redstone update, once you got used to it it was fine, better even. Do i need say why elytra will be awesome, i don’t think so.

updating to 1.8 was a nightmare, but why update to 1.9?

That was because Bukkit was discontinued so we had to wait longer for something to replace it. 1.9 Shouldn’t be as big of a pain as 1.8.

That thing with redstone blocks were they act like repeaters is no more, Mojang removed it.

Again like SpaceCuberMC said. Redstone depends on people being able to use it in the latest version of MC as thats what a large majority of people will use. Same goes for plugins, they will all be updated for 1.9 and none will be released for 1.8 anymore.

Other than PvP changes and (possible) Redstone bugs, why else is 1.9 bad. People just seem to hate it without any good reason. Can I get a clear answer?

Against. Updating will make it impossible to use mods, will make Hyperchat AND minechat useless. It will also manage to fuck up redstone and the combat system.

Until they add pistons to Pocket edition, I’m not updating anything with Mojang™ on it.

To be honest, what is wrong with updating to 1.9? This server is not a PVP server.

The ‘Redstone block bugs’ has been fixed due to many complaints.

I like the two-handed feature. It makes building quicker.

Elycra could technically replace hax clients (In some ways).

Apart from all my Forge mods becoming unusable and recourse packs becoming unusable, I would like an update.

Minechat Hyperchat and whatever other chat, will all update with minecraft. So will your mods, just not right away. So what, restoner won’t be 1.9 the day the release comes out either.

Update to 1.9: ==No==

Nop, fuck no, no more 1.9.. Itll ruin like almost every single redstone door, and most people engineer doors.. you might say “then why wont you just make other things?”, some peoples have different skills and besides, some CPU’s might break, so a no from me

(Happy @Doomblah ?)

I think the server will ever need to go to 1.9. right? Otherwise it’s like we are running a 1.5.2 server while 1.7 has already came out.

Again with the “Nop, fuck no, no more 1.9” without any reason

It’s funny how everyone who doesn’t want to update doesn’t give a clear and/or good reason as to why they think that…

Well to be honest, I don’t see a single reason we (as a redstone server) shouldn’t update to 1.9. If you think its bad, which a lot of you seem to think, elaborate on it… saying no doesn’t help anyone; saying that for example the redstone wire hitboxes bother you, well that can be fixed with a fairly simple modification.

As to playing on a 1.8 server with a 1.9 client, it should be do-able if we make some changes to the server-side of it (reject 1.9 block placements and such)

All in all it boils down to what the people want, if they majority doesn’t want 1.9, then we’re staying on 1.8

It’s the community that decides^1, not the staff

^1 mostly

I think we should just update and see how bad it is xD I already see everyone fly around spawn with elytras hahaha

Change is the law of life. Those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.

@HackerAttacker black ops 1 for the win! also, no ty

Updating to 1.8 was mainly a nightmare due to the UUID changes and PlotMe having redone a lot of things, leaving many bugs we had to fix ourselves. As far as I see: That’s the only real reason you’re proposing not to update. I am not an update expert and I am not the updater, but I’m pretty sure that updating to 1.9 is unlikely to be as much of a hassle as it was to update to 1.8. ( @jomo for reference?)

I think, and we never really gave you the choice really, that we should just update as normal. Keep up to date with spigot. If problems with updating plugins do arise, I will better be able to assist @jomo in the process this year.

I don’t know of any new redstone bugs in 1.9 (I don’t know anything about 1.9 really). But I do keep up with the bug tracker pretty well, and I believe that there’s some interesting stuff added. For example, you might be able to put redstone dust and repeaters on top of pistons in 1.9 (but I think they break when they extend/retract). At least, as @Hardfg5000 mentioned, redstone blocks work as normal. Apparently there’s a 2 handed feature which I don’t know about too and it sounds interesting.

In addition, we are indeed NOT a PvP server. We do not care AT ALL about the PvP changes in 1.9, which is the main point of 1.9. So we will keep up to date with spigot as there shouldn’t be a big difference, and you won’t need 1.8 to join the server.

With the above mentioned points in mind, I will close and lock this thread. closed, locked

Edit @Doomblah this thread was locked, don’t have to reply unless it’s important.

Edit unlocked.

Yes definitely. I don’t understand why people think 1.9 is terrible and it will ruin everything. Also, I really think we should stay up to date with everything, because I don’t like the thought of a bunch of 1.9 stuff happening all throughout the Minecraft community while being on a 1.8 server. If we stay in 1.8, we would probably want to update after a little while.

1.9 wont ruin anything, just like 1.8 didnt ruin anything, just like every update ever never ruined anything.

Yes. As far as I know the only major change to redstone was that quick piston retraction was removed (that’s the thing that retracts double piston extenders instantly). I am a bit mad, but we don’t even know if it will be added again or not since it was always an intended feature. The fact that redstone blocks work as a comparator’s secondary input is really stupid, but you can’t really complain can you. As for Elytras ruining the server, we could always just prevent you from putting them on.

Absolutely all for it: as far as I’m concerned there’s no reason Redstoner shouldn’t update. It adds a few new redstone features and fixed some bugs that would simply outdate any redstone built on 1.8. Remember, whether you like it or not, the majority of players will be playing on 1.9 and so i very much doubt 1.8 builds that don’t work in 1.9 will be accepted for much longer (in the same way no one gives a shit if you make something new that doesn’t work in 1.8.) Nevertheless, as long as one of Redstoner’s rivals does the opposite to what we do that’ll keep everyone happy(er) :p.

I personaly would not take the risk, as most builds on this server are suited for 1.8 already. So, a personal NO from me.

Ok, everyone. Why don’t we look at this logically? Redstoner, obviously, is a redstone server. 1.9 does little to nothing that affects redstone, and you can completely ignore almost everything in it if you so desire. 1.9 is deemed the PvP update, and there is pretty much nothing on our server which revolves around PvP. 1.9 also comes with a whole slew of cool features which may be useful when building redstone things, like dualwielding. It also has fun things like the Elytra, which could be used in minigames that some people like to create on their plots. If you don’t like 1.9, nobody’s forcing you to interact with its features. You can just ignore all of it if you want to. So even if you dislike 1.9, not updating our server would mean that we would be behind a version. And honestly, how many of you regularly look for and join 1.7 servers that aren’t modded? People don’t want to join outdated servers. If we don’t keep our server up to date, a lot less people will be joining, and we’ll be saying “Welcome!” a lot less. Then people will start to find servers that are updated and quit Redstoner, and we won’t have a very large active player base anymore. To be honest, none of us are going to play Redstoner for our whole lives, and if we want the server to stay alive, we should probably update within a month of 1.9 (or any major update) being released. Of course, this is just my opinion, feel free to counter it, but know that if you do you will get into a debate with me.

I don’t see why not. It’s always a challenge when updating, but it’s those things that cause records to be broken and all and frustration and success and joy that happened when 1.4 updated to 1.5 aka the redstone update that borke SO many things. If this update borkes things, then people will get over it. Stability is my only concern since it is only the pre-release, not the full release and obviously they have bugs to fix. If the update will crash the server and ruin player experience, then a big no-no, if not, then, what are we waiting for?

NOTE: I like doing argumentative essays. This was good practice. Now let’s see it work!

yEAH -C2L

###Yes, we should update

1. If the server doesn’t update to 1.9, it might not for 1.10, and when we finally do, it’ll just be way too many things breaking all at once
2. This is still partly a survival server, and stuff like elytra and the expanded end will be fun.
3. It’ll be a good chance to reset SV if we actually do.

I think it’s clear that most people have the same opinion as me. Sorry for locking earlier. We’ll update when we (aka jomo) think it’s the right time to. That is, when we can avoid major bugs (and when spigot releases a 1.9 version, obviously).

We should update

1. It would be better to update survival only if that’s possible.

2. Minecraft 1.9 isn’t that bad. It has lot’s of fun stuff added.

3. Even though we have to wait for spigot to update. We should wait for Optifine to update to 1.9 So there is less lag (ALOT Of people lag in peoples plots).